I know the vandal squad out there is pretty crazy, like they harass you and ruin your life, like they commit crimes in order to arrest you for yours. That shit is fucked up. It's like we are only writing on shit relax a bit. These buildings won't be around forever and neither will we but our legacies will live on, and it's funny to me you can go to jail for writing on a building that if tomorrow they decided to destroy and put up a mall, you'd still be rotting in some cell for a tag on a building that doesn't exist anymore. Look at all the subway trains people got busted for that are now at the bottom of the ocean. I find it more offensive seeing a nice green forest being destroyed and all the animals living there killed or ran out of their homes so a building can go up to make some money than i do seeing graffiti on it. In our society and with evolution, buildings were invented to shelter us from th e elements and everything humans touch cant just stay simple, it has to become something that looks good or does this or that. Back in the day people use to write in and on their own cribs from the Egyptians to the cavemen and when we do it and we are considered criminals or bad people. Who is that cop or this politician to say what I can or can't do, we are all human and breathe the same air what gives another man the right to say or control my life? They're no better than me or you just because of their self appointed authorities. A bit off subject, so let me just say when I first went to NYC I use to look 360 degrees and see dope Graff everywhere and now you got to travel further around the city to see dope stuff. It's still alive and people still rock it, but when I'm there I guess I'm a bit more cautious when I write in NY because of the powers that be and because I know of the certain problems that a lot people have gone through for catching as little as a fill or a ta g. I was looking at some of my friends pictures recently from NY in the early 90's and the walls were grilled with only dope writers and dope styles. Now you can look at the same walls and see nothing but toys and buff marks and recycled styles. It's sad but there are still heads repping it to this day since the 80's, and there are dope new cats coming out all the time but not at the same quantity as back in the day. We will always have the pictures and the stories and the memories of what NY once was and the heads still constantly pushing it against all odds.

You find there to be a lot of fake people in your area, or can you vouch for the people in your scene currently?

I find there are a lot of fake people, not just around me but all over the place. The more writers a city has the more fake people there are, most writers that I meet from all over the world tend to start traveling the longer they get into Graff and most of them only really have a handful of writers in their own town that they can really rely on or trust. When you first start out in Graff you meet all kinds of people from different walks of life, but you are all brought together by a common interest, painting, racking whatever but when the shit goes down, beef arrests drama, girl troubles etc most times those people are no where in sight. They are either behind closed doors ratting on you or talking shit behind your back. Or worse, when you are down and out they don't give a fuck .They aren't around for anything more than a good time and when shit gets serious they could care less. I don't waste anyt ime on those type of people now that I've grown up and seen it all. I maybe hang around 5 people that write that i can really trust and rely on in my city. Most of my good friends that write are from Philly, NY, Chicago the west coast, Toronto etc, I use to be in a crew where people wouldn't even take a subway 5 stops to have my back or to be there for me and now I have good friends that will take a 8 hour drive from across the border in a second if I really needed them to. In the past I have punched, pepper sprayed, threatened, crossed out and caught serious beef for people all because I thought they were worth it and all this was when the so called friends I was defending weren't even around. Then when I tell them that I did that for them they are like " oh well I didn't ask you to, or I'm cool with them now, now it's your problem". Like what the fuck? Meanwhile I have guys hunting me down because I defended someone I called a friend and they could care less. Or I had a fr iend who would talk shit to people and act hard and got beat up two separate occasions crying calling me at 5 in the morning for me to rush to his side because he just got kicked in the face from listening to too much gangster rap thinking he was hard. HA!! If I lose a fight I lose, if I win, I win. I'm not going to run home and cry to my friends if I started something i'll finish it myself and if its more than I can handle and someone offers to be there for me than I appreciate that kind of thing more than someone could know. I think in life you can go on and on complaining about the people you are around till the day you die. I use to sit around listening to others complain about people that they call their best friends all the time and if you have more bad things to say about someone than good guess what? they aren't that good of a friend. I'm not someone to talk bigger about myself than I am. I see kids acting hard on the internet or behind closed doors but face to face its another story. I've sonned mad people, let me rephrase that, I've fetus'd mad people they aren't even sons they aren't fully developed yet. If i hear this person or that talking shit about me the second I see them no matter how much bigger they are than me I don't care, if someone is talking shit about me to someone else I know and I hear about it, I speak up. There has been times people see me and are all super nice and bigging me up and than I ask them why are being nice to me and I know you dissed me behind my back stop being fake, and they're like "um oh umm." I don't have time for all that shit I just really like painting, I like the friends I have now, some of the coolest people I know now are through graffiti. I've weeded out the fakes and I think I am a pretty good judge of character and the company i keep now is nothing short of the best. You live you learn.

When did you start and when did you think you got a good grasp at what you where doing and what is your personal feelings on writing? All politics aside, what makes you do what you do?

I started Graff in late 94, I did it as something to do I was bored and it passed the time. I didn't start to make money, or become famous or to meet people. It was just an action that once I started I couldn't stop it, it became a part of me, before I even knew what a throw up or a piece was I had never seen a magazine it was just me and a marker and putting up my name up around town. It gave me something to do and as I got more and more into I started to notice it more and realized I should start to improve my style and do fill ins and readables etc. I like and I am proud of the way I started out because I feel like I did it the way people first did in the beginning of graffiti, for almost 2 years into I didn't meet anyone else who did it. A few of my friends did it for a couple months but it didn't stick with them. I loved it without seeing the videos or magazines or knowing who was famous already and than when I found out there was a whole culture to it I fell even more in love. But something kept me going regardless of knowing no more than i should pick a name and write it on things actually I didn't even know that getting up was a part of it my friend just said pick a name and lets go write on stuff. I just repeated the action because once wasn't enough. As time went on I started to see my stuff more and more and getting better bit by bit and just always wanting that next spot that rush of going out and not knowing if I will make it home or not. To this day no matter what if  I pass a spot I did I always will turn my head or stop and look at what I did. I do it for me first. I know in my own city I have influenced a lot of people on how to bomb or to start writing or what not but one thing that bugs me is people that come out looking up to me and than get up for a like a year or two than start going over outlines tags fills whatev er. I know there are the unwritten rules and such but people always remember "oh that's a outline I'll do a fill over it" , yeah but if someone has put in way more work than you and has been writing for over twice as long as you , you should respect a tag or a throw up or whatever and if you don't, then expect to suffer the consequences. I love doing what I do still to this day, after all the beef and ruining mass amounts of shoes, clothing, getting arrested and falling off 3 story roofs, fights, the list goes on and i'm still here kicking around. I love graffit because of the adventure, the risk, the rush, the creativity from style to where you can put your name, crazy spots etc. I find its one of the only art forms kept pure by some, it has been pimped more than ever by the mainstream but there are a bunch of us all around the world who keep it pure and still maintain it the way it was meant to be and why it caught on in the first place, illegal and in the streets..

From a far, what are your thoughts on the state of U.S. graffiti?

My thoughts are In some states Graff is thriving and in some others they are obviously not going that great, like in  NY, Philly to SF and LA . New York will never be the same again but they're are some heads still maintaining and getting over in the streets and still smashing subways on the regular. In Philly Graff was so bad they brought the National Guard in to clean up the place. There isn't a quarter as much Graff there now, but that doesn't stop everyone there are dudes still getting up even though the buff is still hard. The smarter writers learn to work around the system and hit the spots that will last and get over looked by the buff. In the end there is whole world out there to explore and if Graff is in your heart than you will just move on to the next state country or continent and get up and all the laws in the world will never hold us back there will always be graffiti no matter what laws are thrown around or made up.

What's your take on SCIFEN as a brand?

I really respect Scifen for the fact they really care and are particular about who they deal with, and who gets to wear their clothes. You guys sponsor only dope mc's that I've listened to for many years now and who never sold out. That's something very admirable. Like you aren't promoting your gear on fucking Soulja Boy, Lil Bow Wow, or any of these new age disgrace rappers. Anything from Skateboarding, Hip Hop, Djaying, Sports, Graffiti, it all started out as something to do just for fun, but like almost anything the essence starts to get lost and people tend to forget why this shit is what it is, why it became popular in the first place. Hip hop was all about poetry and being creative with your words, you still can find people out there who still respect that. I fell in love with hip hop back in 86 because it was creative and I could listen to a track like 10 times before I understood everything t hey said on a track, like all the metaphors and punch lines and hidden meanings. I know from you EWOK personally, and videos I watched and the symbolism you put behind your clothing has a lot of meaning to you guys. I really respect that and in this day and age it's all about the paper for the most part. I know you guys want to get paid but you are not going sell your souls to make that extra buck you are doing things with meaning behind it. A company with a fucking backbone. That is the kind of thing i respect. Not like "oh this is trendy lets pimp this idea, lets throw some Scifen on 50cent because he is popping right now" and then on to the next big star you put a lot of thought into your company. You can't control who wears your shit but at least you don't put your brand name on just any chump who claims they can rap or sing, paint or do whatever might be in, in the moment

We've spoken on many occasions about weight lifting, eating healthy and anti oxidants to flush your system of all the pollutants we ingest on a daily basis. What are your feelings on health and keeping fit? What are your intensions with this?

Well you always hear people say, "we're all going to die one day so who cares what you put in your body?" Well I do I don't need to die some painful death if I can help it. Plain and simple anything not found in nature that is artificial pretty much is not going to be good for you. Knowing they put mad drugs in food and animals today is really fucked up and its more expensive for food that goes through less processes but the ones that go through the most costs more. The world is fucked up and its not getting any better, knowing all this and having access to this information , over the years I've tried to improve my health after all the paint I inhaled, especially silver paint. One time I did a blockbuster on the highway with 20 cans of silver. I was bed ridden for 3 days and couldn't even hold down water, I felt like I was going to die. Since then I was put onto all kinds of things that help purify y our body. I racked these pills at a health food store that gets the metals out of your brain, like mercury and silver paint fumes; there are only certain things that do it like garlic or cilantro. For a month I was eating bushels of cilantro and cloves of garlic and those pills and after that month I felt a lot better mentally and physically, also I was drinking this juice with hi antioxidants in it ( Xango.com) for a few months. I use to have to get up every 3 hours to piss because of all the paint from over the years but now I can sleep a full 8 hours or more without getting up which is a good thing. I've always been an active kid ever since I was young, I never liked asking my parents for anything or my friends so I would always find a way to get around whether it be by bike or foot or skateboard. No matter how far it was, but as I got older and realized that most people around me wouldn't lift a finger to help me out in a jam I went back to my old ways and realized fuck depending on anyone but myself. So I started lifting weights, boxing, push ups sit ups jump rope, I still love biking to this day, all this activity keeps me physically and mentally fit, I'm more on point because of it and that's a great thing.

What album do you have in your CD player right now?

Well I own a lot of vinyl and currently with all the Ipod and mp3 shit I usually just upload my CD's to my computer and listen to everything off that, I still love to listen to all my records there is just something about it the crackling the album art the trouble of finding that one record you have been hunting down for a long time. I basically love and listen to all the stuff that was good in the 80's and early 90's before all this pop gimmick type shit. I've been listening to the new Pete Rock a lot lately that album is refreshing had some heads on it that i haven't heard in a minute, I love Showbiz and Ag, they are constantly coming out with new hot shit that most kids nowadays don't even bother giving a listen to. Or they've simply never heard of. But that shit is better than 99% of what kids are listening to nowadays. A friend of mine manages them now; I plan to do some dope straight letters in some undisclosed locations in the near future to help promote them. I respect artists like them because in a second they could do a track with pretty much anyone they wanted to but choose not to, they stay true to why they started to rap in the first place, and never forget why they love what they do. They still maintain and come out with untouchable tracks continuously. It isn't about making millions it's about doing what you love and being able to wake up in the morning holding your head up with pride knowing you didn't sell out to make an extra dollar. For me as long as i keep doing what i am doing the way I want and for the same reasons I started from day one than i am happy and if one day I cant bomb anymore, or get up for whatever reason, I'll move onto to something else. All the legal walls in the world cant compensate for the feeling of catching one tag on a street corner or climbing out onto some tiny ledge 200 feet up while cars, cops and people are passing by kno wing I might get busted or maybe even fall to my death. I can't get that rush or the same satisfaction from standing there with permission, that is me and that's how I see it. Everyone can do their own thing ill do mine stay out of my way.

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